i am very sorry to here the turn out
i posted a reply to you before i found this later post from you, i love your faith and how you talk of God.
I posted to you that I am about to panic, my wife gois there tomorrow. I wish I would have searched for some info sooner.
if you talk or communicate with your husband, please ask him, and please write this down for him, to go to www.medwaychurch.org this place, the minister, and what they are teaching us is so much more that i would have ever believe I could get anywhere. They teach how to deal with life, how to deal with relationships, family, ect........pleeeeease take a look.
you can listen, whatch, or study the lessons. the sermons are there for this year and the past two just look at the titles of the series and you'll see what i mean, like "living on the edge"
we are really excited and we are putting a lot of effort into this church, they are out to win the world for God and I LOVE IT
KEEP THE FIATH
TRACY
if you get back on the site please respond to us. my wife is to go in tomorrow and i think we are out of our mind if se follow through with it after reading this site
they really scared me when they and her decided she should bring the maxim amount of money charge with her in a chech..............wow, who pays for anything like that they have never seen
please any info would help
tracy
how do you explain the sex activity????
how do you explain the lack of returning calls???
where are the positve stories????
can you present a list of resent clients to contact?
I sugest you folks strongly search in your hearts for God's will in how to run your faciliy. You are in a very important feild, there is only one way to lead people to recovery and to living life at it's fullist, place God first. Thanks Tracy
go there first and ask for a tour.......the money thing is insane....do all kinds of research...you can find a better palce ,they make promises they dont keep...good luck to u and yours im very sour on them...they told me they were the best in the country...god help us all they are such liers..plz look further..im out im done w this site but believe me i wish id known ..i got my info first hand ....its a rathole been there saw it all..good luck and bless u
Tracyone I feel for you because it is a very hard and scary decision to choose a facility for someone you love so much. There have been many people that have expressed their unhappiness with AFR and some of it may be warrented. If your wife did decide to go there do not give up hope. My cousin has been there for 2 months and will be graduating the program in the middle of this month. He has told us may times that we chose the right place. He is healthy physically and mentally for the first time in a very long time. There is no place that is going to be right for everyone but I do believe, and I think you do as well, that we are led into different situations in our lives for a reason. My cousin has gone from spending his whole life trying to satisfy his addiction to talking about wanting to find a church when he comes home and get involved. The transformation has been incredible and we are so proud of him. I will not sit here and tell you that it is a high class resort or that sometimes the communication does not lack a little bit. But my family member has found good people there to support him and has learned a lot. I am not trying to sell AFR to you. I just did not want you to be panicked if your wife did decide to go there. Have faith in your wife's desire for recovery. Please let us know what she decided and how she is doing. We are all in similar situations and need the support of others that know what we are going through. Please let us know if there is anything we can do to help. God bless you and your family.
thank you so much for your e-mail we are so glad it seems to be working for you folks i just could not get myself to take Jeanne there after all i read on the internet. I know some of it could have been blown out of perportion. it was very nice of you to write like you did and i would like to stay in touch, we have a couple of freinds that will be checking on us but i can see now that we will never really open up like we may with someone that is going thru the same thing and it is easier to start with not knowing you, i think that is because we don't know anything else about each other just the fact that this is almost everyting right now, please if you wil and can have your cousin go to www.medwaychurch.org and listen to some of these sermon messages, i don't even like to call them sermons, they are unbelieveable messages about how to live as God would want and not just teaching but "how to"............the world has got to heart this man or others that are delivering God's word to us like he is. he is soooooo down to earth. a great one to start with is "living on the edge" ...........please if you do not understand how to get any of these to play contact us God bless your family tracy@tracycarr.net
Hi, I went to AFR Apr-June of this year. Interesting to read all these posts (I've never "posted" before)... Saw Murray was responding to some also.. Hi Murray. I entered beaten down by alcohol and vicodin. Had previously been to 2 other rehabs. Felt hopeless. While I cannot disagree with some of the comments regarding the staffing and credentials... I am a sober woman living a wonderful life today and it is because of a new Faith, a family that never gave up, and A Forever Recovery in Battle Creek, MI. Though I wanted facilitators with more experience, I did not let that factor keep me from all the positive... and alot of the "positive" to me was the literature and program format... the choices for different approaches to recovery. The workbook consists of 250+ self inventory... I didn't need anyone to answer that for me... I needed a place to rest... a time out... my life depended on it... so I worked it thoroughly. I changed from predominately AA based (for 8 years prior) to cognitive based... and found the "reasoning" approach interesting and encouraging and continue with it's philosophy in my every day life now. Bottom line... if you are determined to stop medicating and find yourself (which, by the way, is already inside us all the while)... Relax... excercise, eat well, meet good people who are there for the same reason (and certainly there are those not sincere.. just look and you'll find the right ones).... The actual counselors ARE certified. They are helpful and encouraging, yet staffing was an issue. I simply want to reach out to that person out there who, maybe like me, thought this place would be no different that the other 2 and countless attempts on my own....... Battle Creek WAS the answer. My life has turned around... I never thought "I' would be writing those words about me. To the suffering addict... don't give up one hour before the miracle.
today is the next step in the journey......paw
My husband and I decided I would go to A Forever Recovery. They even picked me up. On day 1 I was in shock and not prepared. The place was unkempt and I slept in homemade bunkbeds that were filthy with dust and mold in a basement that hadn't been vacuumed because "they didn't have the best vacuum' per Mike, a rehad counselor, just out rehab himself by 3 months. I wanted to get off suboxin, not off serezone, xanax or topomax. They yanked me off cold turkey and thought haldon, librium and ativan would do the trick. I had been on these drugs for 13 yrs. Xanax is benzodiazapine. It is the most dangerous drug,even more dangerous than opiates to be pulled off of. The only more dangerous drug is alcohol and I even saw a man go into seizures on the 2nd day while I was there because of alcohol withdrawal. They didn't even know how to handle that. But he did survive which is the main goal with this place. You need to have survival instincts. On day 2, the diarrhea started and my instincts kicked in but my spirit was dying. I began to drink one of the two juices that are allowed there. Apple juice, guess what, I got worse. It went right through me so I drank water that tasted like it came from a well although they said it was fresh water but that too did not work. Day 3, hallucinations started, I knew something terrible was wrong but they wouldn't listen. I stole their cell phone. They are trained supposedly to do relaxation therapy. That consisted of looking around the room and pointing to things and recognizing things that were real to me that I could touch and know that those thing were real, not the things that were happening in my mind. However in the meantime, the nights were so long. The first night I slept maybe 6 hours. After that I no longer slept and I was kept in that filthy basement for hours on end and for 4-1/2 nights did not sleep at all. I would attempt to go upstairs but people slept on the worn out couches so I was told to try and go downstairs and sleep. I started really getting desperate wondering why my husband couldn't hear me. I would talk to him and my 9 yr. old son, but he is 23 now. On day 4 a different nurse camename Maggie. I had lost 20 lbs. I could hardly stand. I looked at her. I told her, please help me, something is wrong. I no longer went upstairs. She had a security guard Robin (all perfect, beautiful hair, well taken care of, intelligent) come and look at the surroundings because I had complained of all the dirt. Robin knew I was in trouble and that smart intelligent beautiful woman walked away. She will pay a price for that. What goes comes around and God knows it. It is called Karma in this world. But in my world it is called God! Robin, I'm sorry for you. The different nurse named Maggie said she would call my husband. I got real excited. Some of my strenght came back. I waited until morning still talking and hearing voices in my head. My father had died 11/21/2009 and he said "It's alright honey, get up, go out, and breathe the air". In the morning when I thought I heard Maggie the Nurse, I went upstairs but it was Jackie the nurse so I asked did she call my husband, she stated with a stern voice were attempting to make a doctors appt. for you. (The doctor is fake also, I saw him in the beginning) I with a vengence, but calmingly committed a crime with deep sorrow in my heart but I had to get out of there. I knew then I was dying. And then I went out in the snow where another girl who was there held me up. A staff member from the big house came and took me to a big hospital where I was still hallucinating so I thought it was a fake hospital. The staff member from A Forever Recovery kept my ID, all my clothes and personal belongings and my $120.00 that was no account there. I eventually got straighted around at the hospital and realized it was real after speaking with my husband. The staff member from A Forever Recovery after being threatened with the police yy the hospital and my husband returned my clothes. I never recieved my personal belongings, slippers, period pads, blow dryer, shampoo, face cream, brush, toothbrush, toothpaste and several small items, nor did I recieve my money on acct. This was my experience there. Both psychiatrists state I am very lucky to be alive and are hopeful I will make a full recovery. I am in couseling and seeing my psychiatrist 3 times a week. I have many side effects, solaria, running nose, sore throat, no appetite etc all common to withdrawal. These are normal. But I am on non addictive drugs that have helped the fog such as gabapentin, amoxapin. Do you hear that A Forever Recovery. You are as uneducated as is the Doctor you are using. You are playing with peoples' lives and it will come back to haunt you.
Someone will die there. It is a matter of time. I hear that under a different name someone has. I am sorry for you all when it happens. All you people out there that are thinking of going. DO YOUR RESEARCH. NO ONE IN MICHIGAN GOES THERE. THEY KNOW ABOUT THE PLACE. EVERYONE IS FROM OUT OF STATE AS I WAS. PLEASE BE CAREFUL. I HAVE GIVEN YOU A MAP. IT IS GOD GIVEN. GOD BLESS AND STAY SAFE.
To Sean, the youngest member of the Rehab team, get out of there. You will be damaged when some tragedy happens. Your young life means more that. I know you believe in rehab as a whole. Go somewhere legitimitate. Take care and God Bless.
SIGNED COMING BACK AND GOD BLESS
Hello klanigan..
you have taken a wise decision..
hope your partner recovers well.
http://www.southcoastrecovery.com/
No i hav nt herad about the A forever Recovery .....
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Drug Rehab
Well it is now one month and 6 days away from the Rehab house. I am recovering yet, but no more brain zaps. Yahoo. I am completely off Suboxin. I hope to be returning to work. We are not able to pay all the bills without my income but that is temporary so not to worry. I still feel exactly the same as I did above. If you truly care about getting off drugs A Forever Recovery is not the way to do it, at least for someone who has been on benzodiazapenes for 13 years. It was very dangerous what they did to me and of course I am following through in their own backyard. Rehab counselors should have two years of experience and training outside of A Forever Recovery, such as Froderdt Hospital Education's Systems. There should be an RN full time at the Rehab house for the possibility of heart and siezure activity. All common sense. But it comes down to the almight dollar and you heard it here first, when someone actually ends up with heart failure, brain damage, (my brain has suffered from some very extensive testing they did and luckily I had the test 5 years ago for depression, it looks very different, you can see the darkened spots.) Brain zaps are no more that your brain firing spontaneously, like little seizures. They tell you your brain is coming alive again. That is a falsehood from not being educated. Well, you readers out there, take heed, and again I tell you, do your research. Stay away from this place.
Sean, get out of there. Get to a rehab place that is real. You have a promising future. Do your research on your phone into Brain Zaps. Learn what they really are. You wll see my doctors are right. I have also researched alot and learned alot. Question what they do. Don't be a follower and when you can't be a leader, it is time to leave. Take Stephanie with you. Share what you know. There is alot of liability. Be resonsible for yourself. Don't just believe what they tell you.
I will be back but not in this context. Take care everyone and God keep you safe as He has me.
Thanks for your message to all of us. We were afraid after searching the net for info about them. We ended up with a miracle and my wife in a christian rehab in Mobile Al. Please don't ever let distance keep you from getting the right help. This seem huge but is a spec of time that is a huge investment in our futures. God has blessed us many times over throug our journey to Mobile, 805 miles for us one way.
Home of Grace for women .com type it in with no spaces of couse.
They do not have a detox unit, sorry. But with the pain pills they were able to handle that just fine. They do use a local doctor for the needed medicaation. Course this is a mild step down thank God for that for Jeanne.
They are all truely servant of God there. And the founder gives from her heart. They do charge but it is a fraction of anything we found.
I am a former AFR employee. I was never a former client of AFR. I was a counselor at AFR. The program that has been set up is a very solid program it is most likely one of the best programs in the country. I do agree that the practice of hiring recent program clients is an ethically questionable practice and the fact that many of the so called intake counselors and program owners are not professionally educationed is a problem. However, the actual day to day client contact counselors are college educated in the mental health field. When I worked at AFR each and every counselor cared so much for their clients that they put their clients needs and welfair ahead of their own and their own personal lives and families. The fact that AFR employees work a minimun of 50 to 60 hours a week is a testimony to their dedication to their clients and the AFR program. Please look beyond the fact that the owners backgrounds (car salesman and the other having a Masters in Business Administration) They have put together a wonderful program and hopefully someday they will apprecate the dedication of their employees more than the bottomline.